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Post by rstaight on Apr 17, 2009 9:55:00 GMT -5
With the closing of Sportsman,s Warehouse the monthly tying is being moved to St. Andrew UMC.
For May we will be tying Nymphs. We will be looking at a Phesant Tail, Hares Ear, and Montana Stone. There may possibly be fourth.
I will post the reciepes. If you have the materials to bring that will help out.
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Post by trent on Apr 17, 2009 11:01:45 GMT -5
Here's a link to a map on the church website if anyone is unsure of the directions. andrew-umc.org/site/index.php?option=com_google_maps&Itemid=33I have a suggestion for a future tying session. I'd be interested in flies that use craft fur, arctic foxx, etc. Maybe Gary would want to show us how do do the baitfish flies he was passing around last night. They didn't look terribly difficult to tie. Dustin also has his bluefill fly that is a crowd favorite.
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Post by rstaight on Apr 17, 2009 18:20:04 GMT -5
That is a good idea. I'll speak to them about it.
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Post by flyfishingpastor on Apr 19, 2009 19:22:28 GMT -5
Rick, Gary, Dustin or whomever is in charge of the fly tying events, may I suggest we think of a small format change to this great event at some point in the future? What if we asked each month if there were any new tyers? I'm talking about relative newcomers that may have joined us for a fly-tying session or two but really don't own any of their own gear or materials. If we have any people that are really new, what if we were to go to one on one instruction to help them get started with a basic " Intro to Fly Tying" format? For instance, it would have been very helpful for my first session if someone could have just helped me recognize the tools, what they did and how to use them. Maybe we could come up with a standard list we could offer new people of what the minimum tools and materials they would need to get started would be (right now, I think it's about $14,000.00 but I haven't bought everything yet! )? There has been some talk about coming up with a basic kit of tools/materials and maybe we could loan such a basic kit to newbies to use to see if they like it enough to actually purchase their own. After a new person decides they want to tie and get their own gear, we could restock the kit for use by the next person. We could probably rotate 3 or 4 kits? So maybe a "Beginner's Class" could offer on the first evening: 1. Intro to tools/materials: what they are and how/why/when to use them. Also some basic tying language (I mean APPROPRIATE language ). 2. Some basic fly recognition: this is a streamer, this is a nymph, this is a wet and this is a dry - and some of the reasons and situations we might use each. 3. Some hands on work - teach them to tie a wooly-bugger (or?) to give them the feel of using a bobbin, how much pressure the thread can stand before breaking, how to use a whip-finisher or half-hitch, etc. My first fly tying session was deer hair poppers! That was pretty intimidating since I didn't know a bodkin from a whip-finisher. What I'm suggesting is that we think about coming up with a basic class that we could even offer each time we meet. There might be no new people or at most only 1 or 2 and most of us who have tied for even a few months could teach a basic course like I'm thinking about. The majority of the group could then continue to participate in the more advanced tying offered and this wouldn't slow the bulk of the group down at all. I'm not trying to complicate things but if we really want to get more people tying, perhaps we could better serve them by giving them one or two sessions to get to know the gear and materials at a slower pace before we move them into the "regular" group. Pat
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Post by krebsie on Apr 19, 2009 20:40:51 GMT -5
Excellent Idea Pat!! I would even volunteer to do the first few unless someone else wants to. I'm all for the club buying say 2 or 3 really nice vices and some good tools and making them loaner sets for beginners to tie on, then return them and pass them on! I hate suggesting cheep junk for people to learn on. It can make tying seem difficult. I'm not going to be at the next session because I have a date with a 100 pound Tarpon and a few 28" snook. Sorry but just cant pass that up. Keep the Ideas coming, you guys and your suggestions are what make this club work. Krebsie
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Post by flyfishingpastor on Apr 19, 2009 21:22:08 GMT -5
Gary;
Glad you like it; I was just thinking out loud.
I've spent the bulk of my years in ministry working with youth and young adults so I tend to ask how can we make our events as easy and least intimidating as possible and two things pretty much always pop up: take away the "alien language" (bobbin, bodkin, whip-finisher, thread, wire, ribbing, floss, hackles, necks, saddles, hare's ears, BWO's, PMD's, soft hackles and on and on...) and give them as much one-on-one time as possible until they feel ready to move on. New people are often turned off by language they don't understand and lots of people watching them stumble through a new process.
Anyway, I think any of the tyers with even a basic knowlege could take a turn - then no one wouldn't have to miss the more-advanced tying every month. If we go one-on-one, it would take as many of us as are interested in getting new people started as there were new tyers for the evening.
Pat
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Post by barryl on Apr 20, 2009 10:24:02 GMT -5
Pat I think you have hit the nail on the head. When I first started tying I was overwhelmed by hook selection, type of hackle and even the right thread to use. (still have some trouble with hook selections) The KISS approach is what will keep a new tyer interested. I also agree with Krebsie to a point on Vises, I Love my Renzetti but tied on a cheap vise for a long time before making that type of an investment. However there are some descent vises in the $50.00 or $60.00 range that make starting out a lot easier than the $14.95 vise that comes with most starter kits. I also think simple patterns that can be fished on local waters are the best to start with because it not only gets them started tying it gets them fishing on flies they have made them selfs. And who doesn't remember that great feeling! An easy starter would be if you had some of Krebsie foam heads cut and ready to tie.
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Post by Tippecanoe Fly Fishers Admin on Apr 20, 2009 10:55:27 GMT -5
SW still has some vices, but I am not sure if they are 60% off or not. They are where the knives used to be.
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Post by trent on Apr 20, 2009 11:04:28 GMT -5
I like the idea of always having an introductory option for new tiers. That might be something that we would want to include in any promotional materials.
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Post by flyfishingpastor on Apr 20, 2009 12:38:19 GMT -5
Another thing that might be a great help is to create an online "library" of fly recipes. This wouldn't be that difficult to do. For instance, next month Rick is talking about tying 3 or 4 common and popular nymphs. All we would have to do is to come up with the basic recipe, take pic's of each step, then post it like we have been doing in the fly tying section and it would be there as a resource for the future.
Les, would it be a problem to come up with a fly "library" on here to catalog/store the different flies? Could be a great resource for new tyers or those of us who need a refresher on a tie. There are already several great ties by Dustin and Jordan (Rick? Krebsie?). Of course the library wouldn't be complete without Trent's "Pigeon on a stick" fly and one of Radio's Sea Monkey flies. ;D
Pat
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Post by trent on Apr 20, 2009 13:35:11 GMT -5
I think I'm going to have to have Radio do a mock up of the POAS (Pigeon on a Stick), not to be confused with POS. It's hard for me to get step by step photos with the bird flapping all over the place.
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Post by reelteacher on Apr 20, 2009 19:52:52 GMT -5
Great ideas, all of you! Just tell me what to do, and I can help in anyway. I would be very willing to teach one on one, anytime. I will also bring our treasure chest crate to put all of our TFF tying materials together in one place. Maybe we could leave it at the church somewhere??? Just a thought. That way vises and materials would always be available for the newcomers, in case I or another member who had the box couldn't make it for some reason.
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Post by krebsie on Apr 20, 2009 20:37:59 GMT -5
Latest donation to the Materials for Members Box. approx. $300.00 worth of ostrich feathers! Yes I requested that if my daughter was going to use feathers in her wedding that she use feathers that could be donated to the club. She chose white Ostrich and there's a whole %^@ load of them. I hope you guys can use all these. I'll make sure the box gets to someone who can bring it to the next session as I won't be able to attend. Help yourselves!!! Krebsie
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Post by trent on Apr 20, 2009 21:23:46 GMT -5
What, she couldn't find a good use in her wedding for some Metz or Whiting necks or saddles? What's up with that?
I've started using ostrich on wooly bugger like patterns in place of the marabou. Not sure if it makes much of a difference in the water or not, but I had the ostrich handy and have been putting it to use.
$300 ought to buy a whole bunch of ostrich though. Looks like you are set for a year or two.
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Post by rstaight on May 1, 2009 19:34:08 GMT -5
Hey, here are the recipes for this months tying. Sorry I didn't get this done sooner. If you have any of these materials bring them along, it will help out. Some of them you can get at the craft stores.
1) Pheasant Tail Nymph Hook -- size 10-18 nymph or wet fly hook Thread -- Brown Tail -- Pheasant tail fibers Rib -- Fine copper wire Body -- Pheasant tail fibers wrapped herl-style Wingcase -- Pheasant tail fibers Thorax -- Peacock herl
2) Gold Ribbed Hare's Ear Hook -- Size 8-16 nymph or wet fly hook Thread -- Tan or brown Tail -- Hare's mask gaurd hairs or brown hackle fibers. You could possibly substitute squirel tail. Rib -- Fine oval gold tinsel or copper wire Body -- Hare's mask dubbing or Harelines Hare's Ear dubbing. Wingcase -- Mottled turkey. I have used Swiss Straw and Raffia before.
3) Montana Stone Nymph Hook -- Size 6-10 Nymph Thread -- Black Tail -- Brown or Black goose biots Body -- Brown or Black Chenille Wingcase -- Body material Thorax -- Fluorescent Lime-Green, Yellow, or Orange Hackle -- Black, palmered over thorax.
Those are the three that are planned. If you want to substitute materials feel free. After all that is part of the fun.
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